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tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:02 am
by rac
I've just installed an emap sensor and I am looking at how to integrate emap/imap (or tip/map) ratio to make a more robust fuel table for VE fluctuations caused by the pressure differential across the cylinder and hopefully improve accuracy at part throttle variation, WG operation etc. I could do this partially with TPS but I believe tip/map is a more direct measurement of what I am wanting to account for.

From another thread I found this comment:
RICE RACING wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:29 am You do need to know what your engine type looses in terms of air flow when the pressure differential across the engine changes (its not the text book function sadly) but its not too hard to work out either.
I feel like I have gone around in circles a bit trying to analyse my data, the best fit I have come up with so far appears to be:

TIP/MAP Multiplier = 1/(0.485*(tip/map - 1) + 1)

With the 0.485 coming about from iteration of logged data in a spreadsheet for best match to create a flat(ter) base fuel table.
i.e. VE is not affected in a 1:1 manner to tip/map ratio, however it does appear to be significantly affected.

Anyone care to comment on the validity of the above or otherwise an example tip/map multiplier to see if I am on the right path?
I don’t want to fall into the trap of data fitting for the sake of it despite the execution being flawed.

Re: tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:22 am
by rac
Dont worry about the above post, I realised I made a stupid omission in the data I had by not accounting for cam timing.

If I feel the urge I might gather and sort data into rpm brackets with stable valve timing events and then try and look for this relationship;
VE = A + B*(IMAP/EMAP), where A and B are constants empirically derived.

Re: tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:41 am
by drewbinsky
It's difficult to give a conclusive judgment of the correctness of the formula or offer an example without more information or specific statistics about your engine. multiplier for TIP/MAP blossom word game

Re: tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:06 am
by lesary
It's difficult to give a conclusive judgment of the correctness of the formula or offer an example without more information or specific statistics about your enginegeometry dash subzero multiplier for TIP/MAP
Where are you having trouble adding information or numbers?

Re: tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:51 am
by drewbinsky
rac wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:22 am Dont worry about the above post, I realised I made a stupid omission in the data I had by not accounting for cam timing.
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If I feel the urge I might gather and sort data into rpm brackets with stable valve timing events and then try and look for this relationship;
VE = A + B*(IMAP/EMAP), where A and B are constants empirically derived.
This can indeed be a helpful approach to make your fueling more precise under various engine operating conditions

Re: tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:49 am
by legendsmug
rac wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:22 am Dont worry about the above post, I realised I made a stupid omission in the data I had by not accounting for cam timing.

If I feel the urge I might gather and sort data into rpm brackets with stable valve timing events and then try and look for this relationship;
VE = A + B*(IMAP/EMAP) basket random where A and B are constants empirically derived.
I'm having a difficult time showing that this formula is correct.

Re: tip/map ratio effects on fuel demand

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:29 am
by stevieturbo
I'm having a difficult time with the amount of F'ing spambots on forums these days.